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FRI DAY
NOVEMBER 2
AUTHOR
Planet Earth Poetry: Living Artfully: Reflections from the Far West Coast with Kim Goldberg, Mary Ann Moore and Janet Rogers at Moka House, 1633 Hillside Ave., 7: 30 p.m. Cost: $3; planetearthpoetryvic toriabc.blogspot.ca
DANCE
Lessons
Argentine Tango. Beginners workshop at 8 p.m., followed by Milonga at 9 p.m. Cost: $10/$8. Café Casablanca, 2524 Bridge St. Details at tangopacifico.com
Saanich International Folkdancers teaches dances followed by requests, every Friday at Fairfield United Church, 1303 Fairfield Rd., 7-10 p.m. Wear soft soled shoes. Cost: $5/$4 drop in. Details sifd.ca
VBDS Ballroom Dance open dance practice; singles and couples welcome at Les Passmore Centre, 286 Hampton Rd., 7-9: 30 p.m. First visit free. Tel. 250-721-5483. vbds.org
FILM
The Griefwalker, a documentary from National Film Board of Canada about Stephen Jenkinson's work with dying people, will be shown at The Cowichan Hospice Reel Film Series, 7 p.m. Tickets at the box office of The Island Savings Center/Cowichan Community Center.
FUN FOR KIDS
Children's events Saturday through Thursday will be carried on the Family 4-1-1 page in Saturday's Times Colonist.
MUSIC
Classical
Victoria Symphony: Red Hot Flamenco with a showcase of Flamenco dancing at the Royal Theatre, tonight and Saturday at 8 p.m. Tickets: $35 and up. Tel. 250-386-6121.
International Guitar Night, 7: 30 p.m. at The Port Theatre, 125 Front St., Nanaimo. Tickets: $40/$35 /$15/$5 at 250-754-8550 or tickets.porttheatre.com
Benefit Concert in support of Mary Magdalene Ministry and Kids Helping Kids Christmas program, 7 p.m. at Gateway Baptist Church, 898 Royal Oak Ave. Cost: $20
Fridaymusic. UVic School of Music presents string students performing at Phillip T. Young Recital Hall, 12: 30 p.m. Donation. Tel. 250-721-8559.
Folk, Roots, Blues
The Temps at the Bard & Banker Pub, 1022 Government St., 8 p.m. Tel. 250-953-9993; vicpubco.ca
Kelly Cavanagh and Dan Weisenberger at James Bay Coffee and Books, 143 Menzies St., 8 p.m., buy cake and latte. Tel. 250-386-4700.
McKiNLeY WoLf at The Upper Deck Lounge, 229 Gorge Rd. E., 8 p.m. No cover. Tel. 250-383-8212.
Jazz
Peter Dent at the piano, Delta Victoria Ocean Pointe Resort and Spa, 45 Songhees Rd., 6-9 p.m. Tel. 250-360-2999.
Steve Dawson at Hermann's Jazz Club, 753 View St., 8 p.m. Cost: $23.50/$25. Tel. 250-388-9166.
Colin Campbell at Vista 18, 740 Burdett Ave., 8-11 p.m. Tel. 250-382-9258.
Chris Millington Trio at the Bengal Lounge, Fairmont Empress hotel, 8 p.m. Tel. 250-384-8111.
Pop and Rock
The After Halloween Show, with Leisure Suit, Woodsmen, Dogwood Line and Bonfire Blondes, 7-11 p.m. at Alix Goolden Hall, 907 Pandora Ave. Tickets: $11 at Ditch Records; see leisuresuit.bandcamp.com
The Maxx at Swans Pub, 506 Pandora Ave., 9 p.m.1 a.m. Tel. 250-361-3310.
Flashback Freddie Rock & Roll at Britannia Legion, 780 Summit Ave. By donation, advance dinner tickets: $15. Contact: [email protected]
Free Ride at Station House Pub, 737 Goldstream Ave., 9 p.m. No cover. Tel. 250-391-8597.
Harris Gilmore and the MoJos at Swans Pub, 506 Pandora Ave. 9 p.m.1 a.m. Tel. 250-361-3310.
T.G.I. Fridays at Carlton Club Cabaret, 900 Carlton Tce., Esquimalt, 8 p.m. Tel. 250-361-3666.
OUTDOORS
Walk, Run, Hike
Ghostly Walks: Fridays and Saturdays, 7: 30 p.m., start at Visitor Info Centre, Government at Wharf Street. Tel. 250-384-6698.
THEATRE
The Hobbit performed by William Head On Stage Inmate Theatre Troupe at William Head Institution, 6000 William Head Rd., gates open 6: 15 p.m., show at 7: 30 p.m. Performance Fridays and Saturdays to Nov. 10, and Thursday Nov. 8. Tickets: $20 at ticketrocket.org or 250-590-6291. Note: Picture ID required, nothing to be taken in to performance.
Patsy Cline presented by the Blue Bridge Repertory Theatre at the McPherson Playhouse, to Nov. 10, Tuesday through Saturday at 8 p.m. with matinée Saturday and Sunday at 2 p.m. Tickets: $24.50 and up.
Les Liaisons Dangereuses, presented by Company C, tonight and Saturday, 7: 30 p.m., Saturday and Sunday, 2 p.m. at Metro Studio Theatre, 1411 Quadra St. Tickets: $24/$20/$15 at 250-590-6291 or [email protected]
Mini Smile Show, Revival British Variety with a couple of puppets, tonight and Saturday, 8 p.m. at Merlin's Sun Home Theatre, 1983 Fairfield Rd. Cost: $15/$12/$8. Tel. 250-598-7488 .
Wingfield's Folly at the Chemainus Theatre Festival, to Nov,. 17. Details at 1-800-565-7738 or chemainustheatre.ca
SATURDAY
NOVEMBER 3
DANCE
Lesson
VBDS Workshops Series, 1-2 p.m. Merengue, Beginner; 2-3 p.m. Merengue, Beginner Plus at Les Passmore Centre, 286 Hampton Rd. Cost: $5/$8/$10. Tel. 250-721-5483; vbds.org
Social
Country Hoedown Dance with Bill Judge instructing in folk dancing and buffet dinner, 6: 30 p.m. at St. Andrews'Church, 9691 Third St., Sidney. Tickets: $10 at tel. 250-656-5322.
Ethnic Pot Luck Dinner Ballroom Dance hosted by Roman and Rennie at Les Passmore Centre, 286 Hampton Rd., 6 p.m., dance music around the world. Advance tickets required at 250-391-1178 or [email protected]. Tel. 250-721-5483; vbds.org
Argentine Tango at Barefoot Yoga Studio, Broad and Yates streets,
9-11: 30 p.m. Class with Rene and Hilda, 8-9 p.m. Cost: $8/$10. tangovita.com
Dance to the music of MC2 at Royal Canadian Legion, 411 Gorge Rd. E. 8: 30 p.m. Tel. 250-384-5213.
Benefit Dance for Baby Madrona, suffering from acute myeloid Leukemia, 7 p.m. at Fairfield United Hall, 1303 Fairfield Rd. By donation. Contact: [email protected]; madronafuentes.com
FILM Flow State: a Warren Miller Ski Film,7 p.m.at University Centre Farquhar Auditorium. Tickets: $26 at 250-721-8480, auditorium.uvic.ca or in person.
MUSIC
Classical
Songs from the Cloisters, Cappella Artemisia (Italy); Candace Smith, Director, 8 p.m., pre-concert talk at 7: 10 p.m. at Alix Goolden
Tickets: $20/$27;$24/$10 at tel. 250-386-6121 or the door; earlymusicsociety oftheislands.ca
Linden Singers present Gloria! A royal celebration, 7: 30 p.m. at Sooke Baptist Church, 7110 West Coast Rd. Cost: $20/$17. See lindensingers.ca
Louise Rose and Friends Play Dress-Up, a fundraising initiative of The Victoria Good News Choir, come in costume. Tonight, 7: 30 p.m. at Oak Bay United Church, 1355 Mitchell St. Tickets: $20 at Larsen Music, Ivy's Book Shop and Long & McQuade. Tel. 250-658-1946 or info@victoriagood newschoir.com
Pamela Highbaugh Aloni, cello, with guests Paula Kiffner, cello and Jamie Syer, piano at UVic, Phillip T. Young Recital Hall, 8 p.m. Tickets: $17.50/$13.50. Tel. 250-721-8480.
Victoria Symphony: Red Hot Flamenco. Performance at 8 p.m. See Friday for details.
Nanaimo Tidesmen Chorus Fall Concert, 2 and 7: 30 p.m at the Port Theatre, 125 Front St., Nanaimo. Tickets: $25/20/$15/$10 at tel. 1-250-754-8550.
Folk, Roots, Blues The Temps at the Bard & Banker Pub, 1022 Government St., 8 p.m. Tel. 250-953-9993. vicpubco.ca
Saturday Blues Jam with Summer and the Sinners at My Bar and Grill, Howard Johnson Hotel, 310 Gorge Rd. E., 3-7 p.m. mybarandgrill.ca
Funk, Soul and R&B
The Randy Tucker Band at Swiftsure Lounge, Days Inn on the Harbour, 427 Belleville St., 3-6 p.m. Tel. 250-389-0839.
Peter Dent at the piano, Delta Victoria Ocean Pointe Resort and Spa, 45 Songhees Rd., 6-9 p.m. Tel. 250-360-2999.
Colin Campbell at Vista 18, 740 Burdett Ave., 8-11 p.m. Tel. 250-382-9258.
Chris Millington Trio at the Bengal Lounge, Fairmont Empress hotel, 8 p.m. Tel. 250-384-8111.
Stephen Brown and the Bastion Band at Ocean
Island Café, 791 Pandora Ave., 8: 30-11: 30 p.m. oceanisland.com
Pop and Rock
Harris Gilmore & the Mojos at Swans Pub, 506 Pandora Ave., 9 p.m.1 a.m. Tel. 250-361-3310.
Rock of Ages at Tudor House Pub, 533 Admirals Rd., 9 p.m. No cover. Tel. 250-382-5625
Saturday Slam at Carlton Club Cabaret, 900 Carlton Tce., Esquimalt, 8 p.m. Tel. 250-361-3666.
Open Music Jam with Ian and Carolynn McDowell, Saturdays, 2-6 p.m. at Red Lion Inn V Lounge, 3366 Douglas St.
Karaoke with Stacie at My Bar and Grill in the Howard Johnson Hotel, 310 Gorge Rd. E., 8: 30 p.m. mybarandgrill.ca
OUTDOORS
CRD Parks programs. Tel. 250-478-3344 or crd.bc.ca/parks Fabulous Fungi, a two-hour slide presentation and talk for adults only with Kem Luther, 10 a.m.-noon at Francis/King Regional Park. Cost: $7. Pre-registration required by Nov. 2 at tel. 250-478-3344.
Walks and Runs
Chinatown Walks: Explore Canada's oldest Chinatown. Meet outside Starbucks, corner of Government and Fisgard streets, Saturdays at 10: 30 a.m. Cost: $14. No reservations needed. Tel. 250-384-6698.
Outdoor Club of Victoria: Bullen Park, Highrock Park loop. See ocv.ca for details.
THEATRE
Atomic Vaudeville: Episode 58, The Metamorphobia Masquerade,8 p.m.at Victoria Event Centre, 1415 Broad St. Tickets: $18/$22 at ticketrocket.org
The Hobbit. Performance at 7: 30 p.m. See Friday for details.
Patsy Cline performances, 2 and 8 p.m. See Friday for details.
Mini Smile Show, Revival British Variety performance 8 p.m. See Friday for details.
Les Liaisons Dangereuses, performances 2 and 7: 30 p.m. See Friday for details.
SUNDAY
NOVEMBER 4
AUTHOR
Lloyd Robertson presented by Bolen Books at Alix Goolden Hall, 7: 30 p.m. Tickets: $10 at Bolen Books.
MUSIC
Classical
International Guitar Night at Farquhar Auditorium, 8 p.m. at UVic Room B103, University Centre Building, 3800 Finnerty Rd. Tickets: $30/$15. Tel. 250-721-8480 or auditorium.uvic.ca
Linden Singers present Gloria! A royal celebration, 2: 30-5 p.m. at St. Mary's Anglican Church, 1701 Elgin Rd. Cost: $20/$17. See lindensingers.ca
Oceans Apart presented by Hector's Friends (Seven Men who Sing), 2: 30 p.m. at Saanich Peninsula Presbyterian Church, 9296 East Saanich Rd. Tickets: $10 at 250-652-0404 or $12 at the door; HectorsFriends.ca
We Will Remember, the Musical Salute To Our Veterans: Remembrance Concert, by the Sidney Concert Band, 2 p.m. at Mary Winspear Centre. By donation.
Nanaimo Concert Band Fall Concert, 2: 30 p.m at the Port Theatre, 125 Front St., Nanaimo. Tickets: $13.50 at tel. 1-250-754-8550.
Music On Sunday with cellists Pamela Highbaugh Aloni and Paula Kiffner and Pianist Jamie Sye, 2: 30-4: 30 p.m. at The Old School House Arts Centre, 122 Fern Rd. West, Qualicum Beach. Cost: $16. Tel. 250-752-6133; theoldschoolhouse.org
Country/Bluegrass The Moonshiners at Swans Pub, 506 Pandora Ave. 8: 30-11: 30 p.m. Tel. 250-361-3310.
Open Country with Cliff Hanson at My Bar and Grill in the Howard Johnson Hotel, 310 Gorge Rd. East., 3-7 p.m.; mybarandgrill.ca
Bluegrass Jam Night at Ocean Island Café Lounge, 791 Pandora Ave., 8 p.m. oceanisland.com
Folk, Roots and Blues
Deb Rhymer Band at The Upper Deck, 229 Gorge Rd. E., 3-7 p.m. Tel. 250-383-8212.
Stacey Earle & Mark Stuart, perform after open stage, 7: 30 p.m. at Norway House, 1110 Hillside Ave. Cost: $5. Tel. 250-475-1355 or victoiafolkmusic.ca
Jazz
CanUS Jazz Band at Hermann's Jazz Club, 753 View St., 4 p.m. Cost: $12. Tel. 250-388-9166.
Jazz Vespers with Reynolds School jazz program students, 7 p.m. at St. John's United Church, 10990 West Saanich Rd. Free will offering.
OUTDOORS
CRD Parks programs. Tel. 250-478-3344 or crd.bc.ca/parks Nuts About Squirrels,a drop-in event for all ages, 11 a.m.-3 p.m. at Francis/King Regional Park with puppet shows at 11: 30 a.m. and 1: 30 p.m. Meet at the Francis/King Nature Centre off Munn Road.
Old Cemeteries Society Tour: Murder Most Foul at Ross Bay Cemetery. Meet in front of Oregano's, Fairfield Plaza, 1516 Fairfield Rd. Cost: $5. Tel. 250-598-8870.
Walk, Run, Hike
Weekly Bird Walk (for everyone). Every Sunday and Wednesday. 9-10: 30 a.m. Meet at the Swan Lake Nature Sanctuary parking lot, 3873 Swan Lake Rd. Tel. 250-479-0211.
Outdoor Club of Victoria: Broadmead ramble and Blenkinsop Lake from Rithets Bog. See ocv.ca for details.
Clubtread: Hike Partridge Hills - McKenzie Bight. See clubtread.org
THEATRE
Les Liaisons Dangereuses, performance 2 p.m. See Friday for details.
Patsy Cline performances, 2 p.m. See Friday for details.
MONDAY
NOVEMBER 5
DANCE
Lessons
Salsa dance classes with Salsa Moderne at Café Casablanca, 2524 Bridge St., 7: 30-9: 30 p.m. today and Wednesday. Tel. 250-891-2310 or latinvictoria.ca
Dance Around the World with the International Folk Dancers, Mondays, till June, 7-9 p.m. at St. Andrews Church, 9691 4th St., Sidney. No partner needed. Cost: $5, first time free. Tel. 250-652-5818.
FILM
Amnesty International UVic Film Festival, four nights of films looking into the human rights abuses that occur in the making of everyday products like jeans, cellphones or chocolate. Monday through Thursday, 7-10 p.m. at UVic, Social Sciences and Mathematics Building, Room 104, 3800 Finnerty Rd. Free.
Movie Monday: Nothing But A Man screening at Eric Martin Pavilion, Fort Street, 6: 30 p.m. parking on Lee Avenue (one-hour zone). Tel. 250-595-3542 or moviemonday.ca
Victoria Film Festival at the Library, every Monday through Nov. 26 at Central Branch Library, noon-1 p.m. VFF will screen short submission with you as the jury. gvpl.ca
MUSIC
Folk, Roots, Blues
Lorne Elliot, The Collected Mistake Tour at the Mary Winspear Centre, 8 p.m. Tickets: $28 at tel. 250-656-0275 or marywinspear.ca
Lola Parks at the Bard & Banker Pub, 1022 Government St., 8 p.m. Tel. 250-953-9993. vicpubco.ca
Jazz
Flying Saucers at Swans Pub, 506 Pandora Ave. 9 p.m.-midnight. Tel. 250-361-3310.
Pop and Rock
Jam Night at Ocean Island Café, 791 Pandora Ave. 9 p.m. Tel. 250-385-1788.
OUTDOORS
Walks and Runs
WalkSmart Victoria.
Morning walks for Ladies, Monday to Friday, 8: 5011 a.m. Meet at Royal Oak McDonald's for registration. Details at tel. 250-4794087, [email protected]
TUESDAY
NOVEMBER 6
AUTHOR
Open Word: Readings and Ideas with Kevin Chong, 7: 30-10 p.m. at Open Space, 510 Fort St.
Author Peter Dolezal: Smart Canadian Wealth Builder, 7-8: 30 p.m. at Juan de Fuca Branch Library. Register online at gvpl.ca
DANCE
Social
Argentine Tango: Tango Pacifico Tuesdays Milonga, 9 p.m., at Café Casablanca, 2524 Bridge St. Cost: $8; tangopacifico.com or 250-389-0222.
Dance to the music of MC2 at Royal Canadian Legion, 411 Gorge Rd. E. 8: 30 p.m. Tel. 250-384-5213.
MUSIC
Classical
Classical Coffee Concert with Sarah Hagen and Couloie, 10: 30 a.m. at the Port Theatre, 125 Front St., Nanaimo. Tickets: $25/$22/ $15 at tel. 1-250-754-8550.
Folk, Roots, Blues
Geoff Lundstrom at the Bard & Banker Pub, 1022 Government St., 8 p.m. Tel. 250-953-9993.
Jazz
Capital City Syncopators at Swans Pub, 506 Pandora Ave. 9 p.m.-midnight. Tel. 250-361-3310.
Oak Bay High School at Hermann's Jazz Club, 753 View St., 7 p.m. Tel. 250-388-9166.
Pop and Rock
Cunninglynguists at Club
9ONE9, 919 Douglas St., 9 p.m. Tickets: $15/20 at Lyle's Place, Ditch Records, or NorthernTickets.com
Karaoke with Stacie at My Bar and Grill in the Howard Johnson Hotel, 310 Gorge Rd. E., 8 p.m. mybarandgrill.ca
Spectrum Community School Band Back In Action Concert,7 p.m.at Spectrum's Old Gym, 957 Burnside Rd. W. By donation.
Colin James, 7: 30 p.m at the Port Theatre, 125 Front St., Nanaimo. Sold Out Event.
On the Dock with Nick Begg, Rosie June, Richard Nott and Scott Brown at The Dinghy Dock Pub, 8 Pirates Lane, Nanaimo, 7 p.m. Tickets: $20 (include return ferry, 20% off food and the show) at The Dinghy Dock Pub, from the artists, or online at ticketzone.com
OUTDOORS
Walks and Runs
Garden City Wanderers. Meet at Running Room, Broadmead Shopping Centre, 777 Royal Oak Dr. Registration 5: 45 p.m., walk 6 p.m. Tel. 250-477-4472.
THEATRE
Good Person of Setzuan presented by UVic. Phoenix Theatre, to Nov. 24. Tue.-Sat., 8 p.m. with matinee Nov. 24, 2 p.m. Preview tonight and Wednesday, tickets after 5 p.m. $7. Opening Thursday, Preshow lecture Nov. 9. Tickets: $13/$18/$22/$24 at tel. 250-721-8000 or phoenixtheatres.ca.
Patsy Cline. Performance at 8 p.m. See Friday for details.
WEDNESDAY
NOVEMBER 7
AUTHOR
Merna Forster: Book Promotion and Marketing Tips for Writers, 7-9 p.m. at Oaklands Community Centre, 2827 Belmont Ave. Free; victoriawriters.ca
DANCE
Lessons VBDS Ballroom Dance open dance practice; singles and couples welcome at Cedar Hill Recreation Centre, 3220 Cedar Hill Rd., 7: 45-10 p.m. First visit free. Tel. 250-721-5483. vbds.org
Salsa dance classes. See Monday for details.
FILM
The National Film Board of Canada's Get Animated, bringing many of the country's finest and funniest animated films to communities across Canada to mark International Animation Day, 7-8: 15 p.m. at Camosun College, Lansdowne Campus, Fisher building Auditorium, 3100 Foul Bay Rd. Free; nfb.ca/getanimated
MUSIC
UVic School of Music Clarinet Class Recital, students from the studio of Patricia Kostek, noon at Phillip T. Young Recital Hall. By donation.
André-Philippe Gagnon: The One Man Hit Parade, 7: 30 p.m. at the Port Theatre, 125 Front St., Nanaimo. Tickets: $44.50
at unionevents.com or tel. 250-754-8550.
Folk, Roots and Blues Open Mic Night at Ocean Island Café, 791 Pandora Ave. 9 p.m. Tel. 250-385-1788.
Tyler Harvey at the Bard & Banker Pub, 1022 Government St., 8 p.m. Tel. 250-953-9993.
House Cats at Swans Pub, 506 Pandora Ave. 9 p.m.-midnight.
Tel. 250-361-3310. Jazz U-JAM Vocal Jazz Jam at Hermann's Jazz Club, 753 View St., 8 p.m. Cost: $10/$5.
Tel. 259-388-9166.. Jean Bedard at Basilico Ristorante, 832 Goldstream Ave., 6: 30-9 p.m.; basilicoristorante.com Pop and Rock
Colin James at the Royal Theatre, 7: 30 p.m. Tickets at tel. 250-386-6121, 1888-717-6121 or Royal and McPherson Box Office
OUTDOORS
Walks and Runs Clubtread: Fast-paced walk meeting at Fairfield and Moss, 6: 15 p.m. See clubtread.org
Happy Wanderers Walking Club for couples, meets every Wednesday, 10: 30 a.m. at various loca-tions.Tel. 250-479-4830.
THEATRE
Patsy Cline. Performance at 8 p.m. See Friday for details.
Good Person of Setzuan preview performance, 8 p.m. Tickets after 5 p.m.: $7. See Tuesday for details.
THURSDAY
NOVEMBER 8
MUSIC
Folk, Roots, Blues
Tumblin' Dice at the Bard & Banker Pub, 1022 Government St., 8 p.m. Tel. 250-953-9993. vicpubco.ca
Jazz
Tanqueray Gypsy Jazz Night at Vista 18, 740 Burdett Ave., 8-11 p.m. 250-382-9258.
Maureen Washington at Haro's Restaurant and Bar, Sidney Pier Hotel and Spa 9805 Seaport Pl., 11 a.m.-2 p.m., no cover. Tel. 250-655-9700
Pop and Rock
Tom Lang Band at Swans Pub, 506 Pandora Ave. 9 p.m.-midnight. Tel. 250-361-3310.
Throwback Thursday at Carlton Club Cabaret, 900 Carlton Tce., Esquimalt, 8 p.m. Tel. 250-361-3666.
Music Bingo at My Bar and Grill, Howard Johnson Hotel, 310 Gorge Rd. E., 7-11 p.m. mybarandgrill.ca
OUTDOORS
Walks and Runs
Garden City Wanderers. Meet at Running Room, Broadmead Shopping Centre, 777 Royal Oak Dr. Registration 5: 45 pm, walk 6 p.m. Tel. 778-350-0861.
THEATRE
Good Person of Setzuan Opening performance, 8 p.m. See Tuesday for details.
The Hobbit. Performance at 7: 30 p.m. See Friday for details.
Patsy Cline. Performance at 8 p.m. See Friday for details.
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